SJacking up Bombers

Uncle Pete

81 posts

Just out of curiosity, I understand the 617 Squadron Lancs had to be jacked up or lifted with a crane to get the Upkeep under them.  Anybody have any idea what the equipment might have been?  Just wondering if there's something like that available that could be added to a Dambusters Lanc.... It comes with the bomb trolley, after all.

I call it "Recreational Engineering" My wife calls it "Playing \with Toys".

Paws4thot

1118 posts

Well, I don't know that was the case, but there were undercarriage jacks for heavies. They were normally used for wheel changes but might do what you want.

The big issue will be that AFAIK there are no contemporary photos of the 'planes being bombed up for Upkeep because the operation was S.

Though I fly through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am at 65_000 feet and climbing.

Paul Brown

726 posts


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This is described in one of the books I have on 617 Sqdn. I stand to be corrected but I recall the aircraft were lifted at the tail to get clearance to fit the Upkeep.

Paws4thot

1118 posts

@Paul Brown

This is described in one of the books I have on 617 Sqdn. I stand to be corrected but I recall the aircraft were lifted at the tail to get clearance to fit the Upkeep.

Which one? I don't disbelieve you, but it's not mentioned in anything I remember reading.

Though I fly through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am at 65_000 feet and climbing.

Paul Brown

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I can't remember, I have several different books about 617 Sqdn and they're mostly hidden under modelling paraphenalia/stash. When I get some time I'll try and find it, but as I recall the aircraft tail had to be raised sufficiently so that the bomb forks were clear of the Upkeep on a trolley. Once the trolley was in the correct position, the tail was dropped down so the forks slid down each side of the Upkeep. I would think there would have to be some sort of jack to raise the upkeep in position, because once secure it would cause the undercarriage struts to compress. I'd like to know how they managed to re-load Martin's Upkeep after it fell off onto the tarmac. Apparently the crews demonstrated excellent sprinting skills after they heard it go thud.  

Uncle Pete

81 posts

@Paul Brown

I can't remember, I have several different books about 617 Sqdn and they're mostly hidden under modelling paraphenalia/stash. When I get some time I'll try and find it, but as I recall the aircraft tail had to be raised sufficiently so that the bomb forks were clear of the Upkeep on a trolley. Once the trolley was in the correct position, the tail was dropped down so the forks slid down each side of the Upkeep. I would think there would have to be some sort of jack to raise the upkeep in position, because once secure it would cause the undercarriage struts to compress. I'd like to know how they managed to re-load Martin's Upkeep after it fell off onto the tarmac. Apparently the crews demonstrated excellent sprinting skills after they heard it go thud.  

 

The reason I asked in the first place is I remember reading somwhere (can't remember where) at some time in the past (can't remember when) about lifting the tail with a crane and was wondering if anybody knew any more than that.  Strikes me jacks would be more available than cranes on a bomber base.  Didn't mean to get anybody scrambling through archives, though.  If the right kind of unit were available (or something that could be Mickey Moused into the job) it wold be a nice addition to old G for George, though. I'm no expert but 617 always cught my imagination ever since reading Enemy Coast Ahead back in the sixties.

 

I call it "Recreational Engineering" My wife calls it "Playing \with Toys".

Paul Brown

726 posts


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I would think every station, if not squadron, would have at least one Coles Crane available, for the use of. Perfect excuse to build that kit you have lurking in the stash. Wink

Uncle Pete

81 posts

@Paul Brown

There ya go, Paul, I just needed to know the right question!  Google images, when I asked for "Coles Crane 1/72", spat out loads of WW2 era examples.   Thanks.

 

I call it "Recreational Engineering" My wife calls it "Playing \with Toys".

Paws4thot

1118 posts

@Uncle Pete

There ya go, Paul, I just needed to know the right question!  Google images, when I asked for "Coles Crane 1/72", spat out loads of WW2 era examples.   Thanks.

 

I was having the same sort of thoughts when craning the tail up was mentioned. There's still an issue though in that the Thornicroft chassis in the Recovery Set is too late for Operation Chastise, so you'd be better to use the AEC one from the Refuelling Set.

Though I fly through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am at 65_000 feet and climbing.

Dad Paul B

372 posts

I have recently come across this (not sure where - possibly a lecture I had from someone who used to work for QinetiQ (formerly the Royal Aircraft Establishment) or DSTL who did some work reproducing some of the experiments.

The tail was lifted by a crane to get the upkeep underneath.

B-50s (updated B-29s) had to be jacked up from the front (and one bomb bay door removed) to get a Mk.4 or Mk.6 Nuclear bomb into the bay. I will check what type of jack was used (begins with 'M'). The B-29s were manoeuvred over a pit with a lift for loading.

Any others?

Paul

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