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ntrocket88

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There is a good answer to this question here: http://www.matadormodels.co.uk/tank_museum/xcamo_ww2ussr.htm

 

Basically, the consensus is that for Humbrol Enamels, H117 is the best starting point for Soviet 4BO Dark Green used universally during WWII. This is also available in the Humbrol Acrylic range.

 

"Chip in official records stated in Kolomiets and Morschanski to match FS595b 34102.  This is a rich dark green with some olive to it.   It’s duller and a little darker than matt wartime British G3 and more grey than their SCC15, although about the same tone.   George Hogg has suggested Humbrol 117, and Mike Starmer has this as a mid point, adding 150 to lighten and 116 to darken.   The light extreme would be c. 4x117:3x150, the dark 3x117 to 2x116"

 

116 is also available in acrylic, but 150 may not be? Which is a problem, since it is a key component of an SCC15 mix...

ntrocket88

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Hi Will. The Airfix Tiger represents a late production version, produced from ~Feb 1944 through Aug 1944. The main identifier for this being the wheels. It has three rows of steel-tired wheels, rather than the four rows of rubber-tired wheels used on earlier production examples. There are other detail differences like the commander's cupola as well. The Tiger used in Fury was the Bovington one, an early version captured in North Africa. So making the Airfix kit like that one would be a challenge... despite the Airfix desert artwork...

 

Overall, the Airfix kit is showing it's age. There are a few dimensional errors, but overall, it is reasonably true to scale. Most of the errors are ones of omission - like the front and rear mudguards, turret stowage box and exhaust shrouds. The driver's visor and hull MG need work too. For me though, the biggest problem is the steel-tired wheels which are extremely crude and poor representations of the real ones, as are the tracks. Even in 1/76, there are now better options.

ntrocket88

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I agree with Paul that most of the 1/76 Airfix vehicle kits would be good for a beginner. The only one I would avoid is the Churchill, as the wheels are a bit of a challenge... The old StuG III (Assault Gun) kit is easy and makes a good, fairly accurate result. And it is currently in stock as a 'Vintage Classic'. However, the best choice to me, would be the new Cromwell IV kit. This is a new tool and builds easily into a good looking tank. The new tool King Tiger is OK, but I have heard the tracks are a real pain to fit... Hope this helps.

ntrocket88

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For completeness, I would add that 1/76 was the standard for more than just Airfix and Matchbox. Nitto, Fujimi and Micro Ace (formerly Arii/Eidai/Grip) all had ranges of 1/76 armor and vehicles by the early 1970’s. I believe Esci and Hasegawa, who both arrived later, were the only injection molding 1/72 vehicle producers at that time. Heller as well maybe? Overall, I would say there were more 1/76 kits available in the 1960's and 70's than 1/72. A quick count gave me 30 Airfix, 27 Matchbox, 24 Nitto, 21 Fujimi and 13 Micro Ace for a total of 115. In the same period, I found 43 Esci kits and 30 Hasegawa, totaling 73. Obviously, that has changed now!

ntrocket88

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 Very nice scratch building and overall finish.

ntrocket88

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@John Symmons

...As Ratch and Ntrocket 88 said the base colour was a dull dirty sandy yellow but in late 1943 or early 44 the yellow was unobtainable and many factories reverted to a dark grey or the tanks even left the factory in a red oxide primer...

Remember we do this for fun                                                                   John the Pom

I think you meant late 1944 into 1945? As I understand it, in late 1944 factories were told to paint overall with the green and apply standard patterns of dark yellow and dark-brown/red-brown or paint overall red-lead primer with patterns of dark yellow and green over it. Just red-lead primer was used in the last desperate weeks, judging by photos of King Tiger in Berlin. Panzer Colours Vols 1-3 suggested that panzer grey may have been used again in 1945, but more recent texts have questioned that. Always possible though. 

ntrocket88

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As Tomek22 said, it depends on the make and type of paint you prefer. And also on how accurate you care to be! Few subjects cause more angst on the net than 'what is the most accurate color for a..."

My personal preference is for Humbrol enamels. The Airfix StuG III represents one manufactured in early 1944 so it would have left the factory in dunkelgelb (dark yellow) with cans of dark green and red/brown supplied for the crew to apply to meet local camoflage needs. I would recommend H94 for the overall dunkelgelb or H84 for the lighter version. Camoflage can be added with light olive H86 and/or red/brown H160.

For the T34, I believe Humbrol H117 is recommend for Soviet 4BO green, and Mike Starmer has this as a mid point, adding H150 to lighten and H116 to darken as wartime production varied considerably in shade.

Hope this helps!

ntrocket88

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Some more comparison photos. First a very old Airfix 1/76 Tiger I made as a teenager, alongside a more recently made 1/76 Fujimi Late Production Tiger 1, with George Bradford's scale drawing. The two kit's overall dimensions are virtually identically and match almost perfectly with the drawing (without camera perspective...):

Next, the same two with the far more inaccurate Nitto 1/76 Early Tiger 1. Notice how the Nitto kit hull (on the left) is too narrow and the turret is the wrong shape ant too high.

Notice also the fourth row of rubber-tired bogies on the Nitto kit (on the right this time).

ntrocket88

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Umm... before we disappear too far down a rabbit hole here, I just compared the Airfix and Fujimi late production Tiger 1's to George Bradford's plans and they both match the overall dimensions (L x W x H) exactly for 1/76. The Airfix tracks are slightly too narrow and on both kits the gun is a bit too short, the Airfix gun being shortest. I also compared them to the hull dimensions for a Tiger 1 given by Wikipedia and, both kits match the length and width scaled to 1/76 almost perfectly. So I think it is safe to say, the Airfix Tiger 1 is definately, 1/76!

ntrocket88

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One thing also worth pointing out is that Airfix have chosen to perpetuate markings and painting instructions for North Africa (Tunisia). But... the Airfix kit has the late production steel-tired bogies, introduced in early 1944, a year too late for Tunisia. Appropriately, the cupola is also the mid/late version with periscopes, rather than the early version with vision slits, again not suitable for Tunisia. The box art shows an early version with the early cupola and four rows of rubber-tired bogies, rather than the three rows of steel-tired bogies the kit comes with! The air filters shown on the rear corners of your 1/72 die-cast Tiger are also appropriate for early Tiger, but not for late ones. Truth in advertizing?

 

Scale wise, I think the Airfix Tiger is fairly accurate to 1/76, even the tracks. It matches well to the 1/76 Fujimi Late Production Tiger 1 that has very nice link and length tracks. The only dimensional error I am aware of is that the sides do not have two angles at the bottom, but this is covered by the side mudguards anyway. Scratching the turret rear crew stowage box (not ammo...), front/rear mudguards and exhaust shrouds is fairly easy. Adding the Zimmerit that all mid/late production Tiger had is not so easy, but then even newer kits in 1/72 miss that... Still, even those of us committed to 1/76 have better options these days.

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